I received this email tonight via I think this blog:-“Hi, I've just joined the campaign to stop the BNP - you should do the same.While the BNP pretend to be a "legitimate" political party, once you scratch the surface they're the same old racist organisation that they've always been.
But scarily, people don't know the truth - and this year the BNP are running candidates in the elections in June - and their leader Nick Griffin is standing for the European Parliament.
I remember people saying they wouldnt get a seat in the London Assembly.We can stop them if enough people sign up and join the campaign. action.hopenothate.org.uk/defeatthebnp
It is really serious - can you imagine Nick Griffin earning £50plus grand out of the public purse.We can't let this happen. Please get involved by signing up here:action.hopenothate.org.uk/defeatthebnp
Thanks!”
(I have removed the name)
Just imagine it ...“Nick Griffin – British Member of the European Parliament” – if this doesn’t get you out campaigning against the Nazis this year what will?
Check out also the main Hope Not Hate (searchlight) website.
36 comments:
Good luck to Nick Griffin and the BNP.
and their Nazi allies...
I'm voting BNP. The real Nazis are the left-wing extremists who want to take away our right to vote for whichever political party we choose.
Nazi- Labour are not their alliies.
Labour,racist against indigenous white Brits. BNP, racist against foreigners,non white British citizens, bottom line. As a white indigenous Brit voting Liebour is out of the question.More of the same? NOT A CHANCE. I'll vote BNP,if that means being called names then so be it,i'm past caring about that.British jobs..........
I will be voting BNP for the first time in June. Thanks for you advice
Hi Anons
Well, since you live in a free British democracy you can of course vote who you want to vote for – but you should I think bear in mind that if you vote for the Nazi BNP you are voting for fascist extremists who support Hitler and those who killed hundreds of thousands of Brits in the last World War.
Things in any society at any time ain’t going to be perfect. But don’t blame everyone but yourself for all or any problems in our society. It’s not the done thing and it is a waste of time, it’s also not the British way of things I think?
Hitler and Stalin would be proud of Nazi/Commie-Labour. 42 days, Jackboot Jacqui Smith,Andy censor Burnham,ID cards, illegal wars, slave to the EU(Hitlers idea),censor this, ban that political Police-stasi.Gordon we will have a referendum no we will not Brown.Vote rigging members(its not who votes that counts,its who counts the votes,Labour hero and mass murderer Stalin). Labour are power mad,the real fascists along with the HATED EU. Labour are the extremists. Nice to be a Union Boss ay John, see The Times newspaper? Hypocrits & liars champagne anyone.
"Labour Nightmare" http://www.labour-watch.com/
One of Britain’s most powerful union leaders has a secret house-for-life guarantee and enjoys pay and benefits worth nearly £200,000.
Derek Simpson, joint general secretary of Unite, has a deal to remain in his £800,000 grace-and-favour house in Berkhamsted, Hertfordshire, until he dies, according to confidential documents obtained by The Times. His pay package also went up by 17 per cent. Under the terms of the agreement Mr Simpson’s partner can stay in the home at a heavily subsidised rate even after the death of the 64-year-old union leader.
And although Mr Simpson, a close ally of Gordon Brown, has always claimed that he pays tax on the accommodation, for which he pays a nominal rent, the document shows that it is union members who cover the cost of the perk. The disclosure is the latest twist in a long-running controversy over the spending and en-titlements of Mr Simpson, who is currently fighting an election to stay in office beyond retirement age.
Internal papers show that Mr Simpson, who has said “executive pay and bonuses would make Midas blush”, demanded that the union cover his tax bill for his home “to make it affordable”. The perk was worth almost £40,000 in 2007, boosting to £194,252 the total value of the general secretary’s remuneration.
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A spokesman for Unite said. “These arrangements were approved by the executive committee at the time and have been a matter of public record ever since. His remuneration is published every year and is properly approved every year.”
Unite represents a large number of workers earning less than the national average wage. Many reacted angrily to the latest disclosure. Steve Kelly, a construction worker in Romford, said: “When we are all living in fear of losing our jobs and maybe homes it is an outrage that our general secretary lives in a mansion with no threat of losing it ever. No wonder he sucks up to Gordon Brown and big business.”
Mark Adams, a safety rep at Marshall Aerospace in Cambridge, said: “It is an embarrassment when we are trying to recruit new members. We have our key figure living in the lap of luxury.”
Unite, which has 2.1 million members, has been riven by infighting since it was formed from the merger of Amicus and the T&G.
The Times.
http://timesonline.typepad.com/politics/2009/01/a-good-day-to-a.html More GREED from the PIGS in Westminster.
John,
I think (if there was a way of checking) that most of the anons on this are from the same person. The BNP are desperate to give some impression that they've a whole dedicated bunch of supporters ready and waiting to challenge anti-BNP material.
Jeff
John, I said I'm voting BNP but there's no way I would if I thought they were Nazis or that they support the Nazis against us in the last World War.
I've thoroughly read their website and reader's comments and there is just no evidence of fascist extremism. They do not blame or hate immigrants, but they do blame uncontrolled mass immigration and multicultural madness for many of our problems.
If those two things were ended then there would be no need to vote BNP for most people like me, and no 'nightmare' for you, but calling them Nazis or fascists just doesn't work anymore. I'm sure Churchill wouldn't see anything wrong with the current BNP, in fact he would probably vote for them too.
Hi Anons (why always anons?)
“Nazi/Commie-Labour”
Well, it’s a view I suppose. I would suggest that you invest in a good history book and dictionary. The Early Learning centre does some good stuff that should suit you.
“Labour-watch”
hmmm – What an awful ugly, website. You need sunglasses to view it. I think that a visit to an ELC could improve things here as well - to misquote “short on presentation and wrong in content”
Derek Simpson’s pay
– Well, I’m not that sure that he is an ally of Gordon Brown to be honest? I think these figures have probably been distorted (I may be wrong) Anyway I’m not a member of Unite so I won’t comment directly except to point out he is the Joint GS of the biggest trade union in the UK 2.1 million members and thousands of staff. It is a lot of money but nothing when compared to the $6.4 billion paid out in bonuses last year to 4 UK Banks http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2008/dec/21/executive-salaries-bonuses-city-finance. In my sector the top bosses of many housing associations are all paid over £200k.
MP expenses
this seems to be a non-story really. FOI “1 million pieces of paper”, what a waste! I think that on the whole the overwhelming majority of MPs (of all Parties) are honest, decent people and not in it for the money.
Hi Jeff
I think that the comments posted here don’t show the BNP in a good light at all and don’t really challenge our stuff. See the Churchill reference.
Churchill would vote BNP....
Well, or maybe he would have voted SWP, SPGB or monster raving loony party? What evidence have you got for this nonsense? ...for crying out Churchill (for all his faults) was amongst the first to attack Hitler and Nazism, loud and clear. He was a British patriot who believed in Parliamentary democracy and the rule of law. The BNP do not. Please check out Searchlight or Google the names of BNP activists and read about their criminal records, holocaust denials and fancy for dressing up in brown and black uniforms then tell me they are not fascists.
John I lost my job last week with a wife two children and a mortgage by future is bleak.
Like thousands of others I feel Labour has let down the working class. My union was useless. I see my only way I can protest is to Vote BNP
Fascism,Communism same meat different gravy,both suit Labour.
"Churchill (for all his faults) was amongst the first to attack Hitler and Nazism, loud and clear. He was a British patriot who believed in Parliamentary democracy and the rule of law."
Yeah he was a great defender of democracy. I'll remember to get my relatives in Ireland to tell me about how great the black and tans were when i go and visit. And the Dardanelles, he was such a patriot that he didn't send any British troops in to back their Australian comrades resulting in the deaths of millions of working class men and boys. Though after all British lives are worth more than anyone else's, the Labour party have amply shown they're of the same school of thought. Oh yes and what about the violent methods he and his government used against unionists during the 1926 general strike. Like you John he was a man of principle, Tory then Liberal then Tory again. Shall I go on because I could?.
By the way the BNP are scum but it is the policies that your party and the Tories have been implementing over the last 30 years that has driven working class people into their arms. Eg a badly enforced minimum wage allowing employers to exploit foreign cheap labour from abroad and making harder for the ones that are already here to compete, the destruction of manufacturing jobs and the virtual segregation of different ethnic groups onto different council estates making it near in impossible for them to integrate. Then we look to the party that at used to at least partially represent the working class and what are they doing?. Tailing the yanks into imperialist wars, scare mongering about Muslims, privatizing our services, bailing out bankers for being crap at their, upholding fascist anti union laws, paying themselves a good 3 or 4 times more than the average citizen and then fiddling their expenses, stopping elected representatives from voting on important pieces of legislation and the list goes on and on. It's quite clear that the bosses have 3 parties now the working class need 1.
You must be very proud of your parties record John.
Hi anon
who posted a comment at 09.12 - deleted your comment since it may be libel. For obvious reasons I'm not going to publish names. You can repost without the names attached or I'll do it later?
http://liarsbuggersandthieves.blogspot.com/ . There ya go no names.
John you're living in Cloud-cuckoo-land. You still believe that working people trust the Labour party and trade unions even when we know that Labour detest the people who voted them into power and unions like Unison gives the Labour party millions to carry on the good work. We will see 3.5 million unemployed plus again ‘I’m only 50 and twice in my working life l will see 3 million + unemployment ‘l don’t mind’ but that’s ok because people like me are now classed as scum, by people like you. Mind you I’m happy working for the minimum wage and I’ve still got a roof over my head. I also have to pay for my dental treatment because l can’t find a national heath service dentist but l don’t mind. I quite like the Unison posters on the walls of dentist who refuse anyone national heath service treatment with heath workers staring out at us looking at us like we were subhuman. P.S is it only public sector workers now voting Labour?
Life in Labours Britain is like a living hell.
Hi Anons
Sorry this response is late...
"John I lost my job last week..."
Cricky anon, and you think the best way to get yourself a job is to vote Nazi? Not only is it morally repugnant that you are considering voting BNP it is also a insult to the memory of the hundreds of thousands of British troops (of all races and colours) who died fighting the Nazi’s. On the practical side, do you honestly think that any company thinking of relocating to an area and employing local people where there are fascist and racists in local government think that this is going to be a plus? Err? No.
Labour is the “working class” in this country. Warts and all there is no, repeat no alternative.
"Fascism,Communism same meat different gravy,both suit Labour".
Rubbish.
"Churchill (for all his faults)..."
Yes, he did have faults, big ones - and as a First World War and peace time politician he was pretty crap. You forgot about the welsh miners, Gold Standard etc. Not sure what you are going on about with the Dardanelles? My Taid fought there in the First World War and lost many, many comrades in his “British” division? But no one, repeat no one but a complete and utter idiot would fail to recognise Churchill’s major contribution to defeating the Nazi in the Second World War. Of course many of you lot were too busy splitting and wreaking to try and counter the fascists pre-war while during it they were all cheering it on hoping for a British defeat and a 1917 (part 2).
While I disagree with certain policies I am so, so proud of the Labour Party and all it has achieved. I want it to learn from its mistake and achieve more. All you appear to want is continual Tory rule so you can feel the luxury of being ideological pure. Working class people don’t have that option. Since you choose to be comrade “anon” I must assume that you are yet another Middle class ex-public school toy town revolutionary? Can I interest you in “Permanent Boredom” or “Lambeth Malignant”?
"There ya go no names."
Please – what a completely moronic concept. Yes, of course people who happen to be Tory, Labour and Lib Dem councillors or Party members behave badly or have criminal records. But when you consider that the Labour Party has a truely national mass membership (200,000 – there are 1,000 odd in Newham alone) it is no wonder that a tiny, tiny percentage of members are convicted of offenses. Compare that to the tiny, tiny percentage of people who are in far right parties and the number of criminal convictions they receive is another issue. People in glass houses and all that methinks...Many of the so-called “crimes” in this site you refer to are victimless gay acts which when you consider the well established historical fact that some (another tiny, tiny percentage) gays are attracted to far right political parties it is hypocritical for you to go on about it to be frank.
My point was in any case the criminal records of senior BNP activists for politically motivated violence e.g, racial hatred, attacking Jews, bombing Mosques, assaulting Police etc.
"John you're living in Cloud-cuckoo-land"
Anon – the Labour Party is the party for the working class. Full stop. It’s not perfect, it makes mistakes, and it even makes me throw things at the telly at times. But there is no alternative to the Party for ordinary working class people, none what-so-ever. The unions aren’t perfect either but I have never met a worker who wouldn’t have benefited from being a union member. In my high street in East London Dentists advertise for patients? Maybe it’s you? God forbid your local dentists are dare I say ...Black or even ...Asian? Could this be the reason why you can’t find a dentist that fits your warped racist stereotypes?
Life in Labour Britain a “Living hell”? Well, how can you reason with people who hold such views? They must live in a very different world than me. It is not a world that I recognise? It must be horrible, nasty and brutal for them to live in their world. Should I pity them or should their bubble just be burst?
John you say there is no alternative to the Party for ordinary working class people, none what-so-ever and the unions aren’t perfect either. So your opinion we working class people/scum should continue voting for a fascist Nazi anti-working class party because according to your personal judgment we have no choice. Sorry John we do have a choice we vote ‘unless New Labour bans voting. You also said “East London Dentists advertise for patients? Maybe it’s you? God forbid your local dentists are dare I say ...Black or even ...Asian? Could this be the reason why you can’t find a dentist that fits your warped racist stereotypes?”.
Are you accusing me of being a racist? All because l had a toothache and couldn’t get treatment because l said l can’t find a dentist. You’re pathetic really you’re also a very ignorant man. How dare you accuse me of racism because l can’t find a NHS dentist? Is it really so bad that every argument is reduced to this and by the way I’m not a member of the BNP l only came across your blog accidentally. If the BNP ever win it will be down to ignoramuses like you who ignore the views of the public.
Yes indeed it’s very obvious to people like me that we live in a very different world from people like you. I’m trying to think what your true political views are; you’re not a Marxist nor are you a socialist l think you’re just a left wing NAZI.
John is a jackboot lefty FASCIST,he just can't see it,or maybe he can but just don't care.
Hi Anon
Please get back into your pram. I apologise if you are not actually a supporter of the BNP, but to be quite frank, you write like one and use the same bitter & twisted ranting style and resort to childish name calling. Check your facts as well – I have never said or suggested that ordinary working people who vote BNP are “scum” – that was a trot dipstick who commented before you – (unlike the BNP leadership of course). As I said Labour is not perfect, some Councillors, MP and ministers need to get their fingers out; we need to do much much more about Schools, housing and jobs. But for what’s its worth I will repeat there is no alternative to Labour, no alternative to a democratic left of centre Parliamentary Party in partnership with the unions and I think you know it. Anyway, sorry to have your burst your bubble.
Hi Anon 2
You are slightly right for once – I really don’t care what your particular views are.
John people like me waited patiently for the return of a Labour government 18 years we waited. What we got was a Labour government that implemented Thatcherite policies. When the minimum wage became law some of us were getting £6 per hour this dropped to £3.20 since most private sector employers exploited the law and paid everyone they could the minimum wage, meanwhile changes in unemployment benefit forced unemployed workers to work for the minimum wage or forfeit there benefit. People like me went to university to educate ourselves in the hope of avoiding such a fate but there are still no jobs and now there’s going to be an other economic recession. How long shall we wait before in your words Labour Councillors, MP and ministers need to get their fingers out? The fact is New Labour and most trade unions have totally betrayed the working class. We don’t all have the privilege of working for the public sector and if you opened your eyes you would see the poverty and despair created by this horrible government. Life expectancy is even starting to fall for the poorest in our communities this will be the legacy of New Labour and after the next election will be extinct as a British political force .You really are part of a extreme right-wing conservative party that high jacked the Labour party you masquerade as a trade unionist .The facts speak the truth. You have got a cheek to call the BNP fascist, maybe you should join them but I’m sure they would reject you for being too extreme
Ex labour voter who has found a dentist.
Maybe we should all become religious and pray that in the after life New Labour will be a Labour party alas most of us are atheist and we don’t have the pleasure of 2 lives’
BNP Nightmare wow l thought l was having a dream are you serious? Only nightmare I’m having is the policies enacted by the government your party may l say?. You stuck up little twerp.
Hi Anons
“people like me”- I doubt it somehow comrade (or is it Kamerad?) - what complete and utter rubbish to say that the NMW reduced wages. This is laughable – present any evidence? No, of course not. You went to university and got an education yet you believe such nonsense? I would suggest that you apply for a refund matey pdq.
Why do the “Ultras” of all political complexion think that they achieve anything by such deranged rants? I am curious? Why would anyone want to waste their life away on such stuff? I wonder if they write their letters in green ink as well?
Since I’m upsetting the extremists of all sides I must be doing something right I suppose?
BTW - I’m still convinced that Labour will win and win big time at next election.
BTW2 - I’m in the private sector!
John or is it Jonathan
Only deranged rants l see are coming from you. You deny the truth you ignore facts you still rant on about Unionism and New labour. Fact 1 The gap between rich and poor has widened under Labour. Fact 2 Academics at the London School of Economics have found that, the gap between the best and worst performing cities has actually widened in the last decade. Fact 3. The gap between the health of the rich and poor has got worse under New Labour. Fact 4 The gap between the life expectancy of men in the poorest areas of the country and the national average is two per cent greater than it was in the baseline years, 1995/7, Now if l was you l would leave the labour party because your party is the most cruelest mean and most unfriendly government ever for working people.Please before you call me a trot or facist just remember I’m just a normal person telling you the truth and the truth is the party you belong too support and protect are regarded in parts of the nation as worse than Hitler and Trade Unions a joke.
BTW - I’m still convinced that Labour will win and win big time at next election. HHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Would you bet your house on it? Delusional and mad you are,win and win big time,pmsl oooohh haaha,FFS.Thats a joke,right?
John obviously thinks people who have lost under New Labour the unseen and unheard ‘millions’ will continue voting for a party that makes them poorer more unhealthy and makes them die younger than there parents and grandparents. He must be insane as well as blind and deaf.
Hi Anons
It’s John. This is complete drivel I am afraid, didn’t your university teach you to reference your claims? I did enjoy your bit about Labour being regarded “worse that Hitler”. Don’t you realise how daft such comments appear to normal rational beings? You don’t get it do you? Keep up the good work I say. It makes my job much easier.
I am very confident that Labour will win, of course who really knows with democratic free elections, that what makes politics so interesting. The Tory neo-liberalism underpinning their policies has been destroyed and they are in disarray, if Mayor could win in a self made recession in 1992 then Brown should sail home.
British people now are much richer and live longer than their parents and grandparents. Why has pension mortality tables gone up? But, please keep on denying it (as above)
John
I’m talking about the poorest when comparing life expectancy. Now l was under the impression that Labour was a party for working people you know the poorest i.e. people who work for a living. Now check this fact…The poorest men in Glasgow have a life expectancy of 54, lower than the average in India, lower than Iraq and lower than Afghanistan. Now l know you must pity the poor Palestinians in Gaza, well sorry but even Palestinians have a higher life expectancy. Please articulate and explain to me why certain Scottish people are dying younger than their parents and grandparents. You’ll have to be really good because we all know there’s a war going on in Afghanistan Iraq and Gaza, yet the people there live longer than the poor Scots. Maybe they are being ethnically cleansed? because there can’t be any excuse for this horrendous life expectancy but I’m 100% sure you will give me a good reason why the poorest in Glasgow are dying like rats. Come on tell me it’s their diet or some other lies. You’re very good at explaining New Labours policies and the great benefits we’re all getting, please, please tell me why dying at 54 is good.
John.
I’m not prepared to contribute to this blog anymore. You’re a Nazi. You would make up an excuse if Labour decided to sterilize the children of the long term unemployed, I’m virtually sure you would say it would benefit the participants Goodbye.
Hi John,
I am astounded at the energy you have to rebut and refute the ignorance displayed by so many of the anti-Labour comments on this particular post. More power to your elbow, but I hope it doesn't mean you are expending good energy on people who don't have the intellectual capacity to construct an argument, or to understand what "evidence" actually is.
Joan
Hi Anon 16.35 25.1.09
Sorry this response is late but I have been busy plotting this week. In parts of Glasgow the life expectancy is greater than the national UK average. In parts of India, Iraq, Afghanistan and Gaza the life expectancy is far lower than the poorest part of Glasgow. The vast overwhelming majority of even the poorest in Glasgow are living longer than their parents or grandparents. Life expectancy for all has increased dramatically and is just barmy to claim otherwise. There has been an increase in the “gap” since the middle class have more money and better education and have been taken on board the healthy lifestyle arguments faster than sections of the working class. But the mortality rates for all have increased no matter how uneven. Absolute Poverty, not only economic but social is the reason why there are these differences.
Ignorant, meaningless sloganising will not help anyone - will it?
Hi Anon 17:15
Bye, bye. Ignorance is bliss I suppose.
Hi Joan
Yes, thanks for that. I must admit I do wonder from time to time...
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