tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7733583.post3465537279544102731..comments2024-03-04T08:34:20.376+00:00Comments on John's Labour blog: Private Thomas Highgate - the First to be Shot at DawnJohn Grayhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14269161145575667147noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7733583.post-87445962601397377172014-04-05T23:09:46.158+01:002014-04-05T23:09:46.158+01:00Hi Christabel
I think I pretty much agree with yo...Hi Christabel<br /><br />I think I pretty much agree with your arguments except we have recognise that there is genuine problems with us judging historic issues from our 21st standards. <br /><br />306 shot at dawn in 4 years is shocking but 20,000 Brits died on the first day of the Battle of the Somme alone. <br /><br />Haig is in my view definitely a villain up to 1918 but then was C-C of most probably the most successful British Army counter offensive in our history which brought the war to a rapid close saving many lives. <br /><br />History tells us it is difficult to pigeon hole. <br /><br />Hi Peter<br /><br />I think it is fair to state that no matter how awful the Battle (and retreat) of the Mons was that it was very different from the "trenches". <br /><br />I don't mind people making considered points if they anonymous. <br /><br />It is usually because they can't work out how to register with Blogger rather than being shy with their name in my experience. <br /><br />For what it is worth I do think that both sides in this argument ought to recognise that in reality you both have much in common. <br /><br />You all want to recognise and honour our war dead. You do not at this moment agree on how to define all war dead. <br /><br />So be it. I think that with the passage of time you will. Until then in this important centenary year let us concentrate on what unites us rather than divides us. <br /><br />The death of Private Highgate in 1914 moves me as does the life of my Grandfather who fought for 3 years in that war and was a decorated hero but suffered from his experiences all his life until he died in the 1970s. <br />John Grayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14269161145575667147noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7733583.post-66230218319826091492014-04-05T11:47:21.825+01:002014-04-05T11:47:21.825+01:00Greetings John and Christabel, and to Major Anonym...Greetings John and Christabel, and to Major Anonymous!<br /><br />You are probably correct John, when mentioning the absence of trenches at this battle, and I accept that you are, but was not Christabel's reference to 'trenches' purely figurative?<br />Ever since 1918 people have always referred to 'the trenches'.<br /><br />As for you Major Anonymous, can you please explain why the plaque is the decision of RBL and not the local community?<br /><br />Can you also please explain this obvious personal opposition to the plaque, in the face of the Government pardon? Do you know something the Government is unaware of, regarding this matter?<br />Finally, have you considered that if the RBL choose to put two fingers up to the unspeakable suffering of this WW1 soldier and also that of his two brothers - not to mention the will of the local community - then the local community may feel the same way towards the RBL around the time of Poppy Day!<br /><br />If your view reflects that of the RBL, it's a bit hypocritical isn't it?<br /><br />Lastly, who but someone who's ashamed of what they are writing, would do so anonymously?<br /><br />Peter Shaw.<br />Peter Shawnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7733583.post-74851573254758033432014-04-05T08:53:51.498+01:002014-04-05T08:53:51.498+01:00Hello John,
I've read a lot about these 306 so...Hello John,<br />I've read a lot about these 306 soldiers executed by their own side. Some lost their lives for alleged offences of cowardice which ceased to be punishable by death in 1929. Many were under age boy soldiers. According to Military Law, they should have been sent home, not gunned down by a firing squad. Many were unrepresented, medical evidence not obtained and right of appeal denied.<br />As their stories are coming to light, it is being revealed that many showed great courage. One, Patrick Downey, was shot for disobedience, refusing to wear a soaking wet cap. His last words were: "That's a good joke. You let me enlist and then you bring me here and shoot me"! He kept his humour unto his dying words.<br />It was Field Marshal Haig who signed all death warrants and was the architect of the insane frontal attacks on the German lines which cost so many lives. There is a statue of him in Whitehall, the Daily Express once ran a a story on its front page calling for it to be removed.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05741380787414739553noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7733583.post-25202983009091061292014-04-04T08:47:17.501+01:002014-04-04T08:47:17.501+01:00Although this very emotive issue will continue, th...Although this very emotive issue will continue, the decision to include his name on our memorial will probably be that of the RBL and until they decide otherwise the blank space will probably remain.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7733583.post-19529905690635814912014-04-04T07:58:33.608+01:002014-04-04T07:58:33.608+01:00Hi Christabel
I think we have to respect the opin...Hi Christabel<br /><br />I think we have to respect the opinions of those we don't agree with and perhaps one way forward on this difficult matter is to let a later generation decide. <br /><br />I can understand why those who actually fought in the second world may have a very different view than ours. <br /><br />A small technical point - the Battle that Thomas was part of was extremely violent and bloody but at that early stage of the war there was no trenches as such and it was an open battlefield. John Grayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14269161145575667147noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7733583.post-91128514992324980482014-04-03T11:40:07.520+01:002014-04-03T11:40:07.520+01:00I disagree, this is not just a matter for the &quo...I disagree, this is not just a matter for the "local community" it is a matter for everyone. Look at his face, Thomas was a boy, not a man, and he witnessed terrors that you and I will hopefully never see. He had been knee deep in soaking wet clothes spending nights in trenches invested with rats and had seen his comrades blown to pieces around him.<br /><br />Shoreham Parish Council left a blank space on the plaque and pledged that if was ever pardoned then his name would be added to their memorial. Thomas Highgate was pardoned by H.M. Government in 2006. Eight years later the blank space remains. 170 villages voted to have his name there but a Major Michael Green from the RBL has overruled them. <br /><br />Major Green, Still alive at the grand old age of 94, Thomas Highgate didn't even live long enough to reach the age of 20.<br /><br />The Parish Council should hang their heads in shame, instead it was the mother of Thomas who had to flee the village in shame.<br /><br />RIP Thomas, some of us continue the fight to have your name honoured.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05741380787414739553noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7733583.post-13416362281872664372014-01-15T08:31:45.583+00:002014-01-15T08:31:45.583+00:00Hi George
Yes, this is a issue that "brings ...Hi George<br /><br />Yes, this is a issue that "brings history to life".<br /><br />Great article on your blog.John Grayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14269161145575667147noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7733583.post-91661662117050375372014-01-15T00:49:14.844+00:002014-01-15T00:49:14.844+00:00Thanks for blogging about this - interesting to he...Thanks for blogging about this - interesting to hear about the local issue. <br /><br />I teach History at Liverpool University and this is a subject I discuss with my students. I've written about it: http://gcgosling.wordpress.com/2014/01/13/shotatdawn/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com